1 00:00:07,509 --> 00:00:03,700 okay you remember this one right yeah so 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:07,519 dr. PIM van Lommel writes this paper 3 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:10,290 Michael Shermer Scientific American says 4 00:00:23,269 --> 00:00:17,369 hey this thing strikes a blow against in 5 00:00:26,029 --> 00:00:23,279 my opinion no you can't you can't the 6 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:26,039 guy when you have when you write a 7 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:31,830 science paper it when I'm sorry saying 8 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:35,000 that he thinks that it supports the 9 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:39,090 given the modus position of only brain 10 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:40,710 and oh my I didn't say that I said 11 00:00:45,830 --> 00:00:43,170 that's my opinion no what you said is 12 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:45,840 right up on the screen read that this 13 00:00:53,209 --> 00:00:48,780 study delivers a blow to the idea that 14 00:00:55,459 --> 00:00:53,219 mind every separate it delivers a blow 15 00:00:58,430 --> 00:00:55,469 yeah that's right that would be like me 16 00:01:01,459 --> 00:00:58,440 saying your book heavens and earth that 17 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:01,469 heavens on earth delivers a blow against 18 00:01:07,130 --> 00:01:04,260 the neurological model that 19 00:01:09,109 --> 00:01:07,140 consciousness is tight yeah no I would 20 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:09,119 be could do that I could do that I could 21 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:12,979 do that but I would be misrepresenting 22 00:01:17,810 --> 00:01:15,900 exposition I wouldn't be fair to my 23 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:17,820 audience I if I told my audience 24 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:20,759 hey Michael Shermer thinks that's not 25 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:22,470 the case but I think that's the case 26 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:25,110 that's one thing but to say that his 27 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:27,600 book without putting into context 28 00:01:31,850 --> 00:01:29,640 delivers a poll and and the evidence of 29 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:31,860 this is clear I mean you have dr. Pinto 30 00:01:37,370 --> 00:01:34,409 mom will come in at you saying hey this 31 00:01:39,710 --> 00:01:37,380 is this is completely wrong my research 32 00:01:42,289 --> 00:01:39,720 argues exactly the opposite but I don't 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:42,299 want to go he may argue for that but I 34 00:01:46,639 --> 00:01:44,490 think his research points in the 35 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:46,649 opposite direction it does not point to 36 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:49,380 consciousness beyond lives it points to 37 00:01:55,039 --> 00:01:51,869 powerful neurological experiences that 38 00:01:57,889 --> 00:01:55,049 people misrepresent as floating off into 39 00:01:59,810 --> 00:01:57,899 the ether somewhere so let's get at that 40 00:02:01,100 --> 00:01:59,820 let's tell me what you think in your 41 00:02:03,649 --> 00:02:01,110 opinions that you studied this 42 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:03,659 extensively when the person is up by the 43 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:06,840 ceiling looking down what is the medium 44 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:09,720 or platform that olds the thoughts and 45 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:11,640 memories and and how do you see 46 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:13,280 something without a without a 47 00:02:18,670 --> 00:02:15,650 visual apparatus without afraid how does 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:18,680 an ethereal spirit see anything again 49 00:02:23,650 --> 00:02:21,170 and I'd repeat myself but I really feel 50 00:02:27,930 --> 00:02:23,660 strongly about this is that I don't 51 00:02:30,910 --> 00:02:27,940 think we have to to falsify the existing 52 00:02:33,610 --> 00:02:30,920 model of mind equals brain and we should 53 00:02:36,190 --> 00:02:33,620 never look beyond that is a huge step 54 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:36,200 and to take that step allows us to then 55 00:02:39,250 --> 00:02:37,910 begin to answer those questions I don't 56 00:02:41,650 --> 00:02:39,260 think we have to have those questions 57 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:41,660 answered in order to say this is what